SEARCHES FOR "THE SEVEN CITIES OF CIBOLA"

Discussions relating to the lost Seven Cities of Cibola ... Did they really exist?

SEARCHES FOR "THE SEVEN CITIES OF CIBOLA"

Post Number:#1  Postby Quinda » Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:37 pm

SEARCHES FOR "THE SEVEN CITIES OF CIBOLA"
(1530-1540) THE ACCOUNT BY REUBEN GOLD THWAITES


In 1513, a hundred and seven years before the landing of the Pilgrims at Plymouth, Balboa scaled the continental backbone at Darien and unfurled the flag of Spain by the waters of the Pacific. With wondrous zeal did Spanish explorers beat up and down the western shore of the Gulf of Mexico, seeking for an opening through. Cortez had no sooner secured possession of Mexico, after his frightful slaughter of the Aztecs, than he began pushing out to the west and northwest-along the "upper coasts of the South Sea"-in search of the strait which Montezuma told him existed.

It is unlikely that Montezuma's knowledge of North American geography was much greater than that of his conqueror. But in every age and land aborigines have first ascertained what visiting strangers most sought, whether it be gold or waterways, and assured them that somewhere beyond the neighboring horizon these objects were to be found in plenty. Spanish, French, and English have each in their turn chased American rainbows that existed only in the brains of imaginative tribesmen who had little other thought than a childish desire to gratify their guests.

Cortez undertook, at his own charge, several of these expensive exploring expeditions to discover the strait of which Montezuma had spoken, and one of them he conducted in person. In 1528 -the year he visited Spain to meet his accusers -we find him dispatching Maldonado northward along the Pacific coast for three hundred miles; and five years later Grijalva and Jimenez were claiming for Spain the southern portion of Lower California. A full hundred years before Jean Nicolet related to the French authorities at their feeble outpost on the rock of Quebec the story of his daring progress into the wilds of the upper Mississippi Valley, and the rumors he had there heard of the great river which flowed into the South Sea, Spanish officials in the halls of Montezuma were receiving the tales of their adventurers, who had penetrated to strange lands laved by the waters of this selfsame ocean.

It was about the year 1530 when the Spaniards in Mexico first received word, through an itinerant Monk, Marcos de Niza, of certain powerful semi-civilized tribes dwelling some six hundred miles north of the capital of the Aztecs. These strange people were said to possess in great store domestic utensils and ornaments made of gold and silver; to be massed in seven large cities composed of houses built with stone; and to be proficient in many of the arts of the Europeans. The search for "the seven cities of Cibola," as these reputed communities came to be called by the Spaniards, was at once begun.

Guzman, just then at the head of affairs in New Spain, zealously set forth at the head of four hundred Spanish soldiers, and a large following of Indians, to search for this marvelous country. But the farther north the army marched the more distant became Cibola in the report of the natives whom they met on the way; until at last the invaders became involved in the pathless deserts of New Mexico and the intricate ravines of the foothills beyond. The soldiers grew mutinous, and Guzman returned, crestfallen, to Mexico.

In April, 1528, three hundred enthusiastic young nobles and gentlemen from Spain landed at Tampa Bay, under the leadership of Narvaez, whom Cortez supplanted in the conquest of Mexico. Narvaez had been given a commission to hold Florida, with its supposed wealth of mines and precious stones, and to become its governor. Led by the customary fables of the natives, who told only such tales as they supposed their Spanish tormentors wished most to hear, the brilliant company wandered hither, and thither through the vast swamps and forests, wasted by fatigue, famine, disease, and frequent assaults of savages. At last, after many distressing adventures, but four men were left-Cabeza de Vaca, treasurer of the expedition, and three others. For eight long years did these bruised and ragged Spaniards wearily roam across the region now divided into Texas, Indian Territory, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Arizona-through tangled forests, across broad rivers, morasses, and desert stretches beset by wild beasts and men; but ever spurred on by vague reports of a colony of their countrymen to the southwest. At last (May, 1536), the miserable wanderers, first to make the transcontinental trip in northern latitudes, reached the Gulf of California, where they met some of their fellow countrymen, who bore them in triumph to the City of Mexico, as the guests of the province . . . . .

In that golden age of romance travelers were expected to gild their tales, and in this respect seldom failed to meet the popular demand. The Spanish conquistadores, in particular, lived in an atmosphere of fancy. They looked at American savages and their ways through Spanish spectacles; and knowing nothing of the modern science of ethnology, quite misunderstood the import of what they saw. Beset by the national vice of flowery embellishment, they were also pardonably ignorant of savage life, and had an indiscriminating thirst for the marvelous. Thus, we see plainly how the Cibola myth arose and grew; and why most official Spanish reports of the conquest of the Aztecs were so distorted by false conceptions of the conquered people as in some particulars to be of light value as material for history. It was, then, small wonder that Cabeza de Vaca and his fellow adventurers, in the midst of the hero worship of which they were now recipients, should claim themselves to have seen the mysterious seven cities, and to have enlarged upon the previous stories.

Coronado, governor of the northern province of New Galicia, was accordingly sent to conquer this wonderful country, which the adventurers had seen, but Guzman failed to find. In 1540, the years when Cortez again returned to meet ungrateful neglect at the hands of the Spanish court, Coronado set out with a well-equipped following of three hundred whites and eight hundred Indians. The Cibola cities were found to be but mud pueblos in Arizona and New Mexico, with the aspect of which we are to-day familiar; while the mild-tempered inhabitants, destitute of wealth, peacefully practising their crude industries and tilling their irrigated field, were foemen hardly worthy of Castilian steel.
Quinda
Site Admin
 
Posts: 238
Joined: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:00 pm

Re: SEARCHES FOR "THE SEVEN CITIES OF CIBOLA"

Post Number:#2  Postby Kanabite » Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:37 pm

lots of good tidbits going on in the forum this week ,. thanks Quinda for these posts . lots to read , lots to think about ..... :D
User avatar
Kanabite
 
Posts: 1587
Joined: Thu Oct 31, 2002 5:00 pm

Cibola

Post Number:#3  Postby NewToTheHunt » Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:38 pm

Very interesting--the "National Treasure" movie is all about looking for Cibola--although they find it in South Dakota
User avatar
NewToTheHunt
 
Posts: 6
Joined: Sun Aug 17, 2003 4:00 pm

National Treasure!

Post Number:#4  Postby Lostaslost » Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:40 pm

Newtothehunt, I agree with you 100% but I was sure surprised that the site was placed at South Dakota. It should have been placed in Utah for sure. Lots and Lots of stuff they talked about in the movie applied to the Rhoades Mine. Did Boren write about a city there. Just (pilliars and Solomons Temple) I believe all solid gold as in the movie. Everyone knows that gold does not run that way so the movie is fiction also. Neat about the Treasure being there huh! In fact the only thing that I could not see that applied to the Rhoades Mine was North Dakota. They probably made that movie using Borens science fiction? Strange to say the least!

Lost and plum Stupid!
User avatar
Lostaslost
 
Posts: 2039
Joined: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:00 pm
Location: Wyoming

Re: SEARCHES FOR "THE SEVEN CITIES OF CIBOLA"

Post Number:#5  Postby sanpet » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:38 am

Lost do you mean it should be in Utah like Jason and the argonauts at temple hill in Manti?
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson
User avatar
sanpet
 
Posts: 824
Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:00 pm

Re: SEARCHES FOR "THE SEVEN CITIES OF CIBOLA"

Post Number:#6  Postby Lostaslost » Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:35 pm

Whyte I will make a post here since these are old ones. Cibolia is here in the Uintas. I do know this and could prove it almost without a doubt but will let it alone. It is out there and it is still up to other treasure hunters of the day. I do not know what else to say on it and I refuse to give anything away as in how to go about finding it. Boren knew it and I know George Thompson knew it also. Yes he suggested that he could not figure how it would be here. He knew better and I know he knew it. I imagaine Gale Rhoades knew it also. To much paper work out there floating without someone knowing what and what is not true.

Lost
User avatar
Lostaslost
 
Posts: 2039
Joined: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:00 pm
Location: Wyoming

Re: SEARCHES FOR "THE SEVEN CITIES OF CIBOLA"

Post Number:#7  Postby rgf2012 » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:13 pm

as much as i hate to say it the lost city of gold is in utah. i was told the location monday 10/29/12.
in another forum about the ark i said nothing good is in utah, so i really hate to admit there is a lost city of gold there. i we can not get it soon it will be lost for good under the pacific. i know everyone thinks i crazy but i know i'm not.
User avatar
rgf2012
 
Posts: 16
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:56 pm

Re: SEARCHES FOR "THE SEVEN CITIES OF CIBOLA"

Post Number:#8  Postby Lostaslost » Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:24 pm

rgf2012, you an't going to get anything out of the 7 caves of gold. The Utes are laughing at you and I do know also. As for the pacific you are now talking about 2012 and this should not be put here as I have been told before. So don't anger people.

Take care
Lost
User avatar
Lostaslost
 
Posts: 2039
Joined: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:00 pm
Location: Wyoming


Return to Seven Cities of Cibola

  • Who is online

    Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest