Commentary

Pics and a short commentary on the lecture presented on May 21, 2002

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Post Number:#26  Postby zelph » Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:19 pm

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Post Number:#3 Postby Whyte Eagle » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:29 am
yeah ...... that was what the basis of the lecture was about, at least as far as what Wayne May was presenting. He was presenting the idea that the Hopewell culture and the Nephites were one and the same. He had a good slide show that accompanied his lecture and it was pictures of the burmes and trenches of the upper midwest along with other artifacts that have been found tied in with quotes from the BOM and how they described the things they are finding there now. One thing that caught my attention was something he referred to as battle mounds. These mounds when openned are found to contain hundreds of skeletons, obviously the result of mass burial. He had several pictures of these, and had a picture of one that was not yet opened he referred to as the one that contained Zelph, I thought that rather interesting ..... he said he had the directions to that mound and if anyone was going in that area he would provide that info to them so they could see it first hand .....



Hello, my name is zelph. :mrgreen:

3 years ago I visited zelphs mound in Central Illinois. I had a hard time finding it but perseverance paid off. Wayne May told me to go to the park ranger station and ask directions to zelphs mound aka Mormon mound. The ranger station was closed :o :roll: no rangers were to be found. I had an adventurous time finding it. :"" It was in the middle of summer, temperatures were close to 108 degrees. Vegetation was so dense I could not get a good photo to show how big the mound is. The mound has be excavated to the point of having it cut in two....looks like 2 mounds now when you are standing on top. The trench cut into it is depressing. It's a burial mound, why can't they cover it back up and return the contents. Wayne is on the right track promoting the stoppage of mound excavations.

Farm lands and river surround the area of the mound. No building in sight anywhere.

I was there and felt the presence of ancient Americans. Vegetation was too thick to traverse the terrain and look for the stones from the 3 tier altar ;)

Zelphs Mound also known as Naples Mound 8

The Naples Mound 8 (also Naples-Russel Mound 8 or Illinois Archaeological Survey #PK 335) is a Havana Hopewell culture mound site located in Pike County, Illinois three miles east of the city of Griggsville. The mound was given the name Naples Mound #8 in 1882. The mound was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1975.


Path leading up and around to the top of mound that rises to the left.

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Mound rises to the right. Photo is to show how steep it is. Mound looks to be at least 30 feet highh.
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View from the top of the mound looking east over the Illinois river.
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Post Number:#27  Postby zelph » Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:02 pm

Whyte Eagle wrote:yeah ...... that was what the basis of the lecture was about, at least as far as what Wayne May was presenting. He was presenting the idea that the Hopewell culture and the Nephites were one and the same. He had a good slide show that accompanied his lecture and it was pictures of the burmes and trenches of the upper midwest along with other artifacts that have been found tied in with quotes from the BOM and how they described the things they are finding there now. One thing that caught my attention was something he referred to as battle mounds. These mounds when openned are found to contain hundreds of skeletons, obviously the result of mass burial. He had several pictures of these, and had a picture of one that was not yet opened he referred to as the one that contained Zelph, I thought that rather interesting ..... he said he had the directions to that mound and if anyone was going in that area he would provide that info to them so they could see it first hand .....


Valley City, Illinois to Palmyra, NY = 916 miles

Valley City is located at 39°42′22″N 90°39′13″W (39.705990, −90.653656).[2]

zelphs mound(Naples Mound 8 (also Naples-Russel Mound 8 or Illinois Archaeological Survey #PK 335)) is 1/2 mile south of Valley City, IL

he Naples Mound 8 (also Naples-Russel Mound 8 or Illinois Archaeological Survey #PK 335) is a Havana Hopewell culture mound site located in Pike County, Illinois three miles east of the city of Griggsville. The mound was given the name Naples Mound #8 in 1882. The mound was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1975.

First Recorded visits by Local Settlers

Illinois was made a state in 1818 and white settlers came in and opened some of the burial mounds in the former Native American lands. Judge John G. Henderson of Winchester, Illinois, was impressed by beautifully carved stone smoking pipes a friend showed him which were obtained from burial mounds in Naples, Illinois. Accordingly he and a Mr. Merrill, 1n 1876, did some excavations and documentation of some of the Naples mounds in which were found a raccoon and a turtle pipe, copper axes, and human skeletal remains (9). Henderson also mapped the location of fifteen mounds near Naples, including Naples Mound #8 . A map he made shows Naples Mound #8 as being a mile south of Valley City, Illinois and across the Illinois River from Naples, Illinois (10). Being impressed with mound #8, Henderson illustrated an Eagle pipe unearthed from the mound about 40 years earlier by a Daniel Burn, John W. Windsor and others (11). In describing Naples Mound #8 Henderson states, "On the right bank of the Illinois river about 300 yards below [south of] Griggsville Landing, rises a lofty bluff fully 300 feet above the level of the river. On the summit is a beautiful, oval mound, 150 long, 92 feet wide in the middle, and 25 or 30 feet high....within a radius of 5 miles from Naples there are a least fifty mounds, very few of which have ever been opened" (12). After Henderson wrote an article describing the Naples mounds and the relics found in them, the Smithsonian Institution, in December 1879 began a thorough exploration of them, furnishing six laborers to help with the excavations (13). Afterwards, Henderson authored the article describing the results in the Smithsonian Annual Report (14).
Rediscovery of the Mound

The mound was forgotten after 1882 and no records of visits have been found until 1974. Due to the Central Illinois Expressway bridge being planned across the Illinois River, the river bluffs were again visited by archaeologists. A team of graduate students from Northwestern University led by Archaeology Professor Jane E. Buikstra combed the bluffs of the Illinois River a mile South of Valley City, Illinois mapping burial mounds (15). They located an extraordinarily large mound and were excited to inform local historian, Warren Winston, about it. James Bradley, a Mormon Historian from Utah, who had been searching for Zelph Mound for 25 years, visited Warren Winston the day after Professor Buikstra's visit and the connection was made. The Zelph Mound, was re- identified using historic journals, historic landmarks and mound surveys (16). The archaeological name Naples Mound #8, which archaeologist Henderson had given it over ninety years earlier, was changed by Professor Buikstra in 1974 to Naples-Russell Mound #8 (RN8). The name "Russell" was added due to the mound being on private land owned by a Mr. Roy Russell (17). Shortly after that event, in 1975, Buikstra applied to have the mound placed on the National Register of Historic Places (18). Seven years later, in 1988, The State of Illinois purchased 280 acres of Illinois River frontage land, including the mound (19).
Scientific Investigation of the Mound

Archaeologists, after excavating in the Elizabeth Mounds and Napoleon Hollow for ten years where the Expressway bridge was to be built, received permission to do excavations in Naples-Russell Mound #8, located just a hundred and fifty yards to the north of the Elizabeth Mound group (20). A scientific excavation of RN8 was carried out in 1990 by The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, in cooperation with the Center for American Archaeology at Kampsville, Illinois. The dig was funded by the Illinois Department of Transportation and supervised by archaeologist, Ken Farnsworth. The artifacts found during the excavation confirmed the mound to be a Hopewell burial mound, dating from 100 B.C. to 500 A.D. (21). The artifacts are now located in the Illinois State Museum (22). The artifacts of the RN8 Mound were found to be from many parts of the eastern two thirds of United States or east of the Rocky Mountains, illustrating the wide trade network of the Hopewell culture (23). Photographs of the artifacts from NR8 have recently been published (24). The mound is located at the Roy Norbut Fish and Wildlife Area, overseen by the Illinois Department of Natural Resources (25
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Post Number:#28  Postby Quinda » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:45 pm

Good research Zelph.

Are there any pics of the artifacts that were removed on the net?
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Re: Commentary

Post Number:#29  Postby zelph » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:55 pm

Quinda wrote:Good research Zelph.

Are there any pics of the artifacts that were removed on the net?


I came across one and did a screenshot:

In the background id zelph's mound.
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Post Number:#31  Postby coondogkg » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:39 pm

I grew up around the area of Zelphs Mound. I hunt on that state property every year and go there just to clear my head quite frequently.
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Post Number:#32  Postby zelph » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:19 pm

coondogkg wrote:I grew up around the area of Zelphs Mound. I hunt on that state property every year and go there just to clear my head quite frequently.


I'll be visiting the mound and surrounding farm land in about three weeks before vegetation consumes the mound.
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Post Number:#33  Postby zelph » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:01 pm

Zelph was one of the remaining few that survived the battle at Hill Cumorah and fled southward. Seems he made it to central Illinois and died of the arrow wound and was laid to rest on the top of the mound. His burial there would be considered "intrusive".

The state of Illinois did extensive digging into the mound causing it to actually look like 2 mounds close, side by side. The original mound was large and the state dug a trench right thru the center of it. :roll:
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Post Number:#34  Postby Uley Bauer » Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:50 pm

THESE SITES ARE A CAPTURED HISTORY OF A TIME & PEOPLE! When civilization catches up with them they are vulnerable to archaeology, developers & collectors. Even the wilderness has taken a dramatic beating from the new man! Hopefully something will be available for the seceding generations to explore & wonder over the old places that sustained a deserving people!
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