The Mystery of the Danube Script

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The Mystery of the Danube Script

Post Number:#1  Postby martin x » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:16 pm

A german scientist discovered writings from the Stone Age, that may change our understanding of history.

Synopsis

From the wild and untouched region of the Balkans comes a remarkable story, that shatters our knowledge about the origins of civilization. According to latest scientific findings, the people from the so called Danube Civilization lived in cities, used copper tools and script thousands of years earlier than any other high culture in the world. But conservative historians reject the idea of an early civilization in Europe, that existed 8000 years ago. This documentary accompanies a brilliant scientist on his journey to the Danube Valley. Harald Haarmann wants to convince the Mesopotamian Scholars. If he discovers the oldest sentence ever written, he would have changed history!

The Einstein of linguistics

Harald Haarmann is the world leading specialist of ancient scripts and languages. He was appointed to professorships in Germany, Japan an the USA. He speaks nine languages, wrote over 50 books. A lot of them became standard works in the domain of languages. According to him, the Danube Script is the oldest writing in the world! With this theory, Harald Haarmann can change history. He is a highly recognised scientist who risks his reputation with this quest. Because now, he wants to prove his theory once for all.

History would have to be rewritten

This documentary is the story about a brilliant scientist, whose theory shatters everything we know about the history of humanity. But conservative historians refuse to accept his idea, that people in the Stone Age already used writing to communicate. They wait for the ultimate proof. We accompany Harald Haarmann on his quest for the evidence: the oldest sentence ever written! He is going to investigate the latest discoveries and also the most astonishing artifacts, covered in writing.

The Mystery of the Danube Script is also a journey through the wild and untouched nature of the Balkans, where the people of the Danube Civilization lived. From the steep and rocky Danube Valley, to the picturesque landscape of Transylvania, down to the golden shore of the Black Sea.

It began with Noah´s flood and ended with the invention of gold

Noah´s flood really happened. 9000 years ago, after the last Ice Age the sea level rose and flooded a fertile region, which today is called the Black Sea. The people of this region founded new settlements in the Danube Valley. Scientists call this society Danube Civilization. This people were the first in history who used copper tools, they lived in two-storied houses and sat on chairs, while the rest of the world was stuck in the middle of the Stone Age. And they invented writing. This culture lived 2000 years in peace as an equivalent society. But then, they discovered gold. This marks the end of the Danube Civilization. Warriors from the russian steppe extinguished this society 6000 years ago. The era of money and power began.

Narrative

We will travel with Harald Haarmann to archeological sites on the Balkans (Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia), where the most ancient writings of the world have been found. Signs and symbols on mysterious artifacts. He is going to investigate the latest discoveries and also the most astonishing findings. Step by step, he gives evidence. We are going to confront the Mesopotamians with his arguments.

Local archeologists of the Danube Region will introduce this civilization and their accomplishments to the audience. We are going to visit the oldest copper mines of the world, we will bake bread using ovens, that are 8000 years old. And we will rebuild their houses - a scientific project of the university of Belgrade.

The US-scientist Toby Griffen is going to decipher the oldest sentence ever written. We are going to show how it works, to decipher ancient scripts. One thing is already known about this sentence, its message: God is a Woman!
The meaning (if any) of the symbols is unknown, and their nature has been the subject of much debate. Scholars who conclude that the inscribed symbols are writing base their assessment on a few assumptions which are not universally endorsed. First, the existence of similar signs on other artifacts of the Danube civilization suggest that there was an inventory of standard shapes of which scribes made use of. Second, the symbols make a high degree of standardization and a rectilinear shape comparable to what archaic writing systems manifest. Third, that the information communicated by each character was a specific one with an unequivocal meaning. Finally, that the inscriptions are sequenced in rows, whether horizontal, vertical or circular. If they do comprise a script, it is not known what kind of writing system they represent. Some archaeologists who support the idea that they do represent writing, notably Marija Gimbutas, have proposed that they are fragments of a system dubbed the Old European Script.

Others consider the pictograms to be accompanied by random scribbles. Some have suggested that the symbols may have been used as marks of ownership or as the focus of religious rituals. An alternative suggestion is that they may have been merely uncomprehending imitations of more advanced cultures, although this explanation is made rather unlikely by the great antiquity of the tablets—there were no literate cultures at the time from which the symbols could have been adopted.[8] Colin Renfrew argues that the apparent similarities with Sumerian symbols are deceptive: "To me, the comparison made between the signs on the Tărtăria tablets and those of proto-literate Sumeria carry very little weight. They are all simple pictographs, and a sign for a goat in one culture is bound to look much like the sign for a goat in another. To call these Balkan signs 'writing' is perhaps to imply that they had an independent significance of their own communicable to another person without oral contact. This I doubt."[10]

Another problem is that there are no independent indications of literacy existing in the Balkans at this period. Sarunas Milisauskas comments that "it is extremely difficult to demonstrate archaeologically whether a corpus of symbols constitutes a writing system" and notes that the first known writing systems were all developed by early states to facilitate record-keeping in complex organised societies in the Middle East and Mediterranean. There is no evidence of organised states in the European Neolithic, so it is likely that they would not have needed the administrative systems facilitated by writing. David Anthony notes that Chinese characters were first used for ritual and commemorative purposes associated with the 'sacred power' of kings; it is possible that a similar usage accounts for the Tărtăria symbols.[11]
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Re: The Mystery of the Danube Script

Post Number:#2  Postby martin x » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:30 pm

Meaning of the symbols
Clay amulet, one of the Tărtăria tablets unearthed near Tărtăria, Romania, and dated to ca. 5300 BC
Vincan symbols

The nature and purpose of the symbols is a mystery. It is dubious that they constitute a writing system. Although attempts have been made to interpret the symbols, there is no agreement as to what they might mean. At first it was thought that the symbols were simple property marks, meaning "this belongs to X". A prominent holder of this view is archaeologist Peter Biehl. This theory is now mostly abandoned, as the same symbols have been repeatedly found throughout the territory of the Vinča culture, in locations hundreds of kilometers and years away from each other. The prevailing theory is that the symbols were used for religious purposes in a traditional agricultural society. If so, the fact that the same symbols were used for centuries with little change suggests that the ritual meaning and culture represented by the symbols likewise remained constant for a very long time, with no need for further development. The use of the symbols appears to have been abandoned (along with the objects on which they appear) at the start of the Bronze Age, suggesting that the new technology brought with it significant changes in social organization and beliefs.

One argument in favour of the ritual explanation is that the objects on which the symbols appear do not seem to have had much long-term significance to their owners - they are commonly found in pits and other refuse areas. Certain objects, principally figurines, are most usually found buried under houses. This is consistent with the supposition that they were prepared for household religious ceremonies in which the signs incised on the objects represent expressions: a desire, request, vow, etc. After the ceremony was completed, the object would either have no further significance (hence would be disposed of) or would be buried ritually (which some have interpreted as votive offerings).

Some of the "comb" or "brush" symbols, which collectively compose as much as a sixth of all the symbols so far discovered, may represent numbers. Some scholars have pointed out that over a quarter of the inscriptions are located on the bottom of a pot, an ostensibly unlikely place for a religious inscription. The Vinča culture appears to have traded its wares quite widely with other cultures (as demonstrated by the widespread distribution of inscribed pots), so it is possible that the "numerical" symbols conveyed information about the value of the pots or their contents. Other cultures, such as the Minoans and Sumerians, used their scripts primarily as accounting tools; the Vinča symbols may have served a similar purpose.

Other symbols (principally those restricted to the base of pots) are wholly unique. Such signs may denote the contents, provenance/destination or manufacturer/owner of the pot.
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Re: The Mystery of the Danube Script

Post Number:#3  Postby mahalla2 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:51 pm

Hi martin x - What you have written is quite interesting and no doubt there were very ancient cultures in the Balkans too. In the "Old Testament" we are told that Noah and his descendents traveled from mountain top to mountain top which makes sense if it took quite some time for the floods to recede. If you have any photos of the ancient script you referred to that would be very helpful. I have posted some photos in the Noah's Ark thread if you would like to take a look at them from an area in Eastern Washington. The images are very subtle but they repeat themselves just like ancient Sumerian. Also, lets not forget about the remains of "Kennewick Man" (found on the shore of the Columbia River) that scientists believe is 7-11 thousand years old. :"}
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