The Gold of Carre Shinob

Discussion of the ever elusive location we've come to know as Carre-Shinob ... is it fact or legend?

The Gold of Carre Shinob

Post Number:#1  Postby GoldenBigfoot » Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:55 pm

Hello Everybody--I just have to say I have been a big fan of this site for a long time and have decided it was time to join in on some of these discussions. I really think that this forum is ran very well and professional.

I am from Logan, Utah and found my first mine when I was nine years old in the mountains above Logan. The mine was only 30 feet deep nevertheless it sparked the imaginations of my friends and I, and we would later find eight of nine other mines in the area. We always went on fishing trips to the Uintahs in the summer time and it was there around a campfire that I first learned of the Lost Rhoades Mines. (They make for great campfire stories). I read Footprints in the Wilderness when I was in high school and did a couple of papers on Thomas and Caleb Rhoades when I was in college at BYU. It was while I was researching for these papers that I found your forum and have regularly read posts on it. I am an avid fisherman and have loved the Uintahs my whole life.... aside from all of this gold talk, there is something special with these mountains.

I recently read The Gold of Carre Shinob by Boren and found it to have some interesting stories. However, there seem to be a lot of quotes that are refrenced his own work. There also seem to be some discrepencies in his story of visiting the site itself. He says that he saw Chief Walker's remains and with them the chief was holding a Book of Mormon. He says he did not touch them because he had made a promise not to touch anything. However, later on in the account he says that stone lids were too heavy for him to lift and gold leaf plates were also too heavy. He must of touched these to gather this information. I am sure you guys have discussed this book at length but I was wondering if anyone could clarify any of this for me?

Once again I think that there are some very intelligent people that post regularly here and it is a very informative site. Good Job!!!!
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Re: The Gold of Carre Shinob

Post Number:#2  Postby Whyte Eagle » Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:52 pm

Welcome to the Ancient Lost Treasures forum BuffaloMan!!! Gald to have you with us .... ;=) .....

I don't think we've discussed ~The Gold Of Carre Shinob~ a whole lot yet, but I'm glad someone else has connected with a few of the descrepencies ... this shold make for a good topic to discuss ..... it seems to me that what we refer to as ~Carre-Shinob~ tends t oget confusing at times in as much as some feel it is a mine, others think it is a repository and yet others think it's a combination of both ..... one thing is for certain though, there are only two men I know of that are alive today who claim to actually have been there, and both describe it differently ..... so the question is ..... did both men make it? and if so how could the descriptions be so different? Maybe it's because they both went to different places and felt they were in the Carre Shinob ...... or maybe one of them never made it at all ..... here's an open question for everyone ..... what's your take on it all?
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Re: The Gold of Carre Shinob

Post Number:#3  Postby GoldenBigfoot » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:29 pm

Whyte Eagle--Thanks for your reply. Who is the other person that is alive that claims to have been to the mine besides Boren??? From his description it seems that ~Carre Shinob~ is a temple of some sorts that contains the treasure of Montezuma. This is a fantastic claim if it is true. The aztecs had enormous amounts of gold and all of the artifacts that Boren claims to have seen in the tunnels correspond with Aztec artifacts. I just have a hard time believing his story. He differentiates between two ~sacred~ mines of the Rhoades family and refers to ~Carre-Shinob~ as sacred mine #2. He describes it as a temple of some sorts with different chambers and various other treasures.

A lot of Boren's research has come from journals of people who had been to the sacred mine. It is a striking coiencedence that everyone who has a journal and a story about the mine is Boren't direct ancestor--even the indians. It is still fascinating to think that such a place really exists.
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Re: The Gold of Carre Shinob

Post Number:#4  Postby Whyte Eagle » Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:56 pm

In answer to your question BuffaloMan ..... The other person who has reported having been in the ~Carre~ is Robert Gifford .....

And for those who don't have a reference of what we are discussing here ..... the following is the text from the book ~The Gold Of Carre-Shinob~ Capter 21 ..... The Secret of Carre-Shinob .....
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The Secret of Carre-Shinob

Post Number:#5  Postby Whyte Eagle » Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:58 pm

An excerpt from the book ~The Gold Of Carre-Shinob~ by Kerry Ross Boren

Chapter 21
The Secret of Carre-Shinob

I HAVE TRIED, IN THIS BOOK, TO REVEAL some unknown secrets about the Lost Rhoades Mines. I have revealed stories of men and mines that never were imagined when Footprints in the Wilderness was published in 1971, or even when it was re-issued with new information appended in 1980. But I reserved the greatest secret for last.

First, however, some clarification is needed. In virtually every account of the mines over the years, the Sacred Mine has been equated with Carre-Shinob, when in fact they are separate in every respect. Indeed, there are two sacred mines-Sacred Mine #1 and Sacred Mine #2. The latter, situated in the upper Rock Creek drainage. we have already discussed. It was likely associated anciently with another sacred site, most probably an Aztec temple.

But Sacred Mine #1 and Carre-Shinob are not associated with Rock Creek. Without exception Carre-Shinob - ~Where the Great Spirit Dwells~ -has always been associated by the Indians with a sacred site north of Whiterocks River, in the area of the upper Yellowstone River drainage. Whenever Caleb Rhoades made an excursion to the Sacred Mine #1, he went first to Whiterocks where he borrowed pack mules from Jimmie Reed and picked up Happy Jack to guard his back trail.
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Re: The Secret of Carre-Shinob

Post Number:#6  Postby Whyte Eagle » Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:59 pm

Moreover, as mentioned above, the Sacred Mine and Carre-Shinob are not the same; Carre-Shinob was definitely ~something else." And what Carre-Shinob was is the basis of the secret we are about to reveal.

Not long after the publication of Footprints. I came into possession of the journals of my third great-grandfather, Isaac Morley. The pages came alive with vivid descriptions of his friendship with Chief Walker, and his association with what became known as the Lost Rhoades Mine. The revelations of these journals were astounding: that Chief Walker had first revealed the secret of the gold to him; that he twice visited Carre-Shinob in person. once in the company of a young Caleb Rhoades; that he had officiated at the burial of Chief Walker at Carre-Shinob; and that he had seen and left a vivid description of the ~secret~ of Carre-Shinob. What was the secret?...That Carre-Shinob was an Aztec Temple containing the treasure of Montezuma!

More than this, Father Morley's journals contain enough information to provide directions to the site. My initial feelings concerning this discovery can better be imagined than described. Almost simultaneously with the acquisition of the Morley journals, I came into possession of the Happy Jack journals, and with them, a detailed map of Carre-Shinob!

In his final days of life. Happy Jack had been cared after by Mary Reed Harris. daughter of Jimmie Reed and wife of Henry Harris, Indian interpreter, both of whom had been Happy Jack's mining partners in earlier years. Mary Reed Harris acquired Happy Jack's effects upon his death, including his journals, letters and maps, together with her solemn vow that the secret of Carre-Shinob and the Sacred Mine be preserved for the benefit of the Ute people. These items. together with the charge, were passed down to my uncle, Bill Reed, who was the nephew of Mary Reed Harris. Subsequently these items came into my possession (though I never removed them from the reservation; today they are in the care of certain members of the Ute tribe).
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Re: The Secret of Carre-Shinob

Post Number:#7  Postby Whyte Eagle » Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:59 pm

Now it is remarkable that I, a `~white-eyes~ without a traceable drop of Native American blood, should come into possession of one of the greatest secrets ever of the Indian people, but such was the case. Fate is often devoid of reason. Part of the reason is perhaps attributable to my family's long amiable association with the Ute people: part of it due to my relationship to the Reed family: and part due to my descent from Chief Walker's great friend, Isaac Morley. More anciently, my direct ancestor was Iorwerth ap Owain Gwynedd, the brother of Madoc, King of the Aztecs and ancestor of Montezuma. Indeed, I had cause for personal interest in the secret of Carre-Shinob. [see The Widow's Son, O'Boran. op.cit.]

I have been to Carre-Shinob! In this chapter I will describe what I saw there, but first there needs to be some clarification. I would like to state emphatically that I did not get there on my own, but obtained permission from the inner circle of the Ute elders, and I went there only once-it was enough. I doubt that the Indians would have granted such latitude had they not known that I had independent confirmation of the site. Ultimately, they realized that it was better to concede controlled access than to risk my attempting to go there on my own. For that cause, they elicited my blood oath that, if they permitted my access, I would remove nothing I found, reveal to no one the exact location, and that I would never return without their knowledge and consent-to all of which I readily agreed. I confess that I was afraid, but 1 wanted to see the treasure of Carre-Shinob - even as Father Morley saw it--more than life itself.

It has been twenty-five years since I saw the sight which changed my life forever, and I am proud to say I have never broken my oath to those good people. At the same time, if I had done so, I have no doubt that I would not be alive to tell about it now. By revealing the contents of Carre-Shinob, I am not breaking that oath; my promise was to take nothing and never return, and never to tell where it lies, and that oath remains inviolate. I might never have written this book and revealed this much had not life's circumstances dictated the need. Having said that much, it is time to tell the tale.
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Re: The Secret of Carre-Shinob

Post Number:#8  Postby Whyte Eagle » Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:59 pm

I am not at liberty to divulge either the route or location, nor can I say who escorted me there, except to say that my escort consisted of five mounted Utes, all sworn to the same oath as myself. It should be pointed out, however, that once within a mile or so of the site, these men would go no closer, having a strong superstitious fear of the place. I continued to the site alone, and this much I will say: the location is remote and in the highest access reaches of the Uintah Mountains northwest of the Whiterocks. I can say without reservation that without the most specific directions given, the site of Carre-Shinob can never be discovered. The main entrance is so cleverly contrived as to fool and confuse the most astute, and the secondary entrance-a tunnel hidden in a high recess-is so inaccessible as to be reached only by ropes and great agility.

Carre-Shinob is composed of a series of caverns with connecting tunnels. I suspect, from what knowledge I have been able to gain on the subject since, that the entire system was formed anciently as a result of lava tubes, for beneath the Uintah Mountains are a series of active volcanoes. The entire range is being thrust upward at the rate of about an inch a year, but erosion wears it down at an equal rate, and so the elevation remains primarily static. Nevertheless, anyone familiar with the mountains has experienced the occasional rumbling that periodically occurs as the pressure builds beneath the surface.

The fabulous lode of the Uintah Mountains, which makes it indisputably the richest source of gold in the world (Caleb Rhoades claimed there was gold enough in the Sacred Mine alone to pave the streets of New York City, with enough left over to pay off the national debt!), apparently derives from these chambers and lava tubes having been filled wall-to-wall with molten gold! This then was what the Old Ones-the Aztecs of their predecessors-mined from the caverns. As they mined out each room, they left the walls plated with the molten gold, and in its soft precious surface carved their strange hieroglyphics and made it a sacred temple.
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Post Number:#9  Postby Whyte Eagle » Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:00 pm

Entering from the secondary tunnel (the main entrance is contrived to prevent intruders), one first encounters a precipice dropping abruptly to the bottom of a great chamber, of sufficient size to accommodate a three or four-story house. At the bottom, embracing the north wall of the chamber, a stream of icy water courses until it drops away into a subterranean tube. The floor of the chamber slopes upward, ending at the south wall where half a dozen tunnels channel off in various directions.

In this chamber there are skeletons laid out in rows and others propped against the walls. Some of these were originally wrapped in blankets and cedar bark, remnants of which yet remain. These were apparently Indians of a later generation, chieftains and their families. But here too are a number of skeletons in Spanish armor, in disarray, as though tossed from the tunnel at the precipice above: the story speaks for itself.

According to Father Morley's journal, Chief Walker was entombed in a second, interior chamber. The question before me that day was, which of the several tunnels led to that chamber? One of my reasons for being there was to view the burial place of Chief Walker, a man I had come to admire greatly. I entered two tunnels before finding the correct one. Both tunnels, which were very narrow and not very high, led to interior chambers which appeared to have been man-made. These chambers were small, perhaps 10 x 12 feet and some 7 or 8 feet high, and except for two or three stone boxes or chests against the walls of each, the rooms were empty. The lids on the boxes were too heavy for me to remove.

The third tunnel, considerably larger than the other two, led to a cavernous chamber, which appeared to be a natural cave, and here were the remains of Chief Walker, together with the skeletal remains of some two dozen others. Walker's remains were easily identified by the old first edition of the Book of Mormon clutched in his bony fingers: I suspect Brigham Young's letter was folded between the pages, but I touched nothing, as I had pledged.
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Post Number:#10  Postby Whyte Eagle » Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:00 pm

Walker's corpse was in a good state of preservation, virtually semi-mummified due to the constant dry temperature of the cave. I was struck by the fact that he had a scarf of some sort tied around his jaw and knotted on top of his head, for what purpose I never learned. His body was leaning against a rock wall in a sitting position, as though asleep. Surrounding him were the skeletal remains of his several wives and the slave children I had read so much about. To one side, piles of bones and skulls of his favorite horses lay heaped, together with accoutrements of his interesting life: a rifle, several pistols, bows and arrows, medicine clubs and pouches, blankets, and more. The abundance of artifacts denoted his wealth and importance.

Nearby were other corpses, similarly posed against the wall, obviously chieftains and predecessors of Walker. One of these skeletons belonged to old Chief Sanpete, but I had no way of knowing which; I had only the statements of Father Morley and Happy Jack that the body of Walker's grandfather had been disinterred from the rock cairn grave on Rock Creek where his Mexican murderers had buried him, and entombed with honor at Carre-Shinob, to sleep among his ancestors. Not every chief of the Utes was entombed at Carre-Shinob, but only those who were ~Keepers of the Yellow Metal."

It is difficult to convey my feelings as I stood in this chamber among the ghosts of history. The experience was one of euphoria mixed with a sense of eerie awareness and not just a little fear of the unknown. Being absolutely alone in such a place tends to make one acutely aware of one's own mortality, and there is a very real sense that, though surrounded by the dead, ~someone~ is watching!

From the Walker chamber (which I chose to call it) several tunnels funneled off in different directions as before, but this time I had no difficulty in choosing the one to explore. Above the entrance to one of the tunnels was an intricately carved portal depicting several rather unidentifiable creatures-similar to the Griffin of Wales-and a large sun symbol.
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Post Number:#11  Postby Whyte Eagle » Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:01 pm

At the end of this quite lengthy and tortuous tunnel one emerges into a cavernous chamber of immense proportions and startling beauty. For reasons soon to be apparent, I dubbed it the Sun chamber. In fact it was a temple almost beyond description.

In the center of this immense room were nine great stone pillars, too large in circumference for a man to encircle his arms. This entire chamber-walls, ceiling, floor, and pillars-was plated with what appeared to be pure gold! In fact, as I have since thought, it might not have been plated with gold so much as the interior was solid natural gold, from which the center had been excavated, leaving a certain amount of thickness around the exterior walls. If so, the amount of gold once filling this chamber staggers the imagination. On the other hand, the amount of gold still in this chamber surpasses anything ever yet discovered, enhanced by the additional number of gold artifacts stored therein.

On opposing walls, facing each other, were two gigantic solar disks, each taller than a man and several inches thick; they were apparently of pure gold and must have weighed tons each. It boggles the mind to conceive how the ancients moved such massive wheels. The disks represented the sun, with rays emanating from the center outward, and between the rays were intricate carvings of signs and symbols of a peculiar nature. In the very center of each disk was a carved cross, very much like the Celtic cross of Ireland (or Wales), with ivy vines woven around the design.

Between the solar disks, but against the south wall, sat a giant stone chair or throne, intricately carved, but one of the few items in the chamber not made of, or covered with, gold. This throne was elevated on a stone slab or shell', and in front of it, on floor level, was a stone altar. Because the altar had grooves or troughs on either side, and what appeared to be a groove for the head, the logical conclusion was that it had been utilized for human sacrifice.
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Post Number:#12  Postby Whyte Eagle » Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:01 pm

But the Sun chamber contained an even greater surprise: golden masks and statuettes, and rows of more stone boxes. And many of the boxes were open and filled with treasure of another kind: gold plates with hieroglyphic writing on them! The boxes were of various sizes and also the contents. The boxes were, on the average, about 3 x 4 feet in dimensions and about 3 feet deep. In the bottom of each box was drilled two or three holes, into which were inserted round sticks about two feet in length. Over these sticks were placed stacks of gold plates, more or less round or oval with holes in the center through which the sticks protruded. The plates were each imprinted-that is to say, inscribed by some stone or meta] instrument into the soft gold-with curious hieroglyphic symbols. I had no camera, but I did have pen and paper, and I copied as many of the figures as time allowed. The ingenious method of stacking the plates permitted their removal en toto in one stack, and then the plates can be fanned out and read, then returned as easily. However, the stacks of gold plates proved to be heavy.

There were smaller stone boxes. too, and these contained assortments of precious stones-emeralds, rubies, turquoise, sapphires and, strangely, sea shells-and others contained gold bracelets, circlets, rings, earrings, and other ceremonial jewelry. Together with the masks, disks, statuettes and other artifacts, the caverns were a treasure trove like something out of A Thousand and One Arabian Nights.

Most of all, in the midst of fabulous treasure, I was most impressed with the room, with the walls and floors and pillars of solid gold with a myriad of inscriptions everywhere to be seen. What I would have given to be able to read those writings! What revelations might he made as to the origins and history of an unknown ancient people!
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Post Number:#13  Postby Whyte Eagle » Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:02 pm

There were other rooms and chambers-according to the Utes. there are nine gilded chambers in the complex-but I had neither the time nor the means to explore them. Some of the tunnels angled downwards, toward the interior of the mountain, and there may well be miles of such passages within these mountains. In fact, the region is marked by a number of caves, some of notable significance. Big Brush Creek Cave lies at the foot of one of the ~baldy~ mountains. A stream of water runs into the mouth of the cave, then disappears underground, to emerge some miles below as a tributary of Big Brush Creek. On Icy Cave Peak there are a series of caverns, and in Dry Fork Canyon there are many more. Sheep Creek Canyon Cave runs for miles underground, and has never been fully explored. A stream which bubbles to the surface at the entrance, was traced to its origin by the U.S. Forest Service using colored dye, indicating that it derived some fifteen miles to the west. I have personally explored some six miles of this particular cave.

My time to explore Carre-Shinob was extremely limited; even so, I spent about six hours in the bowels of the mountain. Six days would not have been sufficient. I saw many things therein that, because of my oath to the Ute people and for sundry other reasons, I shall never speak or write about. Suffice it that it is enough to reveal the secret of Carre-Shinob - that it is the repository of Montezuma's vast treasure, the same for which loss Cortes lamented. There can be no doubt that the sacred relics of the Aztecs-ancestors of the Utes-were returned to the source from which the gold came. There is no more sacred site among the Native American peoples than Carre-Shinob.

There is also little doubt that the written records and perhaps the written language itself derives from the influence of the Welsh Prince Madoc ap Owain Gwynedd, first great King of the Aztecs (prior to whom there were presumably only chieftains). Some of the symbols may derive from an earlier native civilization, all of which corresponds to the origins of certain Mormon beliefs pertaining to the source of the ~Nephites~ and ~Lamanites." In fact, the term ~Carre-Shinob~ itself seems to have been a blend of both Welsh and Hebrew. The Utes claim the meaning as ~Where the Great Spirit Dwells," In Welsh the term ~Carre~ corresponds with ~Carreg~ which denotes ~stone~ or ~stone dwelling," while in Hebrew the term ~Shinob~ corresponds with the Hebrew term ~Shin-ob," which signifies ~Most High God," ~Ob~ standing for ~Abba~ or ~Father." The two terms are not dissimilar in their meaning.
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Post Number:#14  Postby Whyte Eagle » Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:02 pm

There is also recent evidence to indicate that the gold recovered by Cortes and a succession of Spaniards after him originated in the Uintah Mountains. Mel Fisher, treasure hunter extraordinaire and discoverer of the sunken Spanish galleon, The Atocha, which produced millions of dollars worth of gold and Aztecan artifacts, has discovered evidence that some of the gold recovered from the Atocha came from a source in the Uintah Mountains. Mel is understandably reluctant to reveal his find, but he has spent several summers in the Uintah Mountains searching for the source of his discovery.

The question I am most often asked is: ~If you know where this treasure is, why don't you make yourself rich?" The answer is a complex one, but basically amounts to a moral and religious obligation. To begin with, the gold and the treasure does not belong to me, but to the Ute people. I have sworn an oath to the Utes to keep the secret of the location of Carre-Shinob inviolate, and that oath means more to me than any gain could ever compensate. My late father, whom I admired above all other men I have ever known, used to say that a man is only as good as his word, and I never knew him to break his oaths. The greatest honor I can give his memory is to emulate his character.

Let there be no doubt about it, either: mine was a blood oath, and it would be worth my life to violate it. There is no treasure so valuable as to be worth more than life itself. Besides, I have never been interested in the ~mines~ for their wealth, but for their history instead. Two of my closest friends exhausted their entire fortunes in search of the mines (they never knew the secret of Carre-Shinob), only to die tragic deaths without having discovered or seen the elusive treasure they lived and died for. I, on the other hand, have had the rare privilege of seeing it, ironically because I did not seek to be wealthy from it. I have seen, and I am content; I shall never return.

Neither will I write anything further concerning Carre-Shinob or the Lost Rhoades Mines. My purposes for writing this book, the final chapter in my association with the mines, are my own, and of no consequence to anyone else. I will say only that I felt the need to make such a record, to honor the memory of those long forgotten, and to clarify once and for all time the question of ownership.

To those treasure hunters who read this and find my story incredible, I say this: I hope you do not believe me! I do not wish to encourage you to look for the gold of Carre-Shinob. It does not belong to you. It is the sacred treasure of the Utes, and to them only does it belong.

May it ever be so.
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Post Number:#15  Postby Chauffeesuncloud » Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:13 am

Howdy Buffaloman, yer not the only one in here from Logan!!!
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Post Number:#16  Postby Unregistered User » Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:19 am

I think it was in 1995 when Mel Fisher came to the Uintah Basin and called a Tribal meeting, the councel got together and Mel tossed some small Gold Bars and a large Gold Chain on the Table in front of them,he said that he had the technology to find the Gold and wanted to make them a deal, (the Tribe was willing) but Mel got greedy and wanted 80% for himself and 20% for the Tribe, Which made the Councel just laugh, Bringing out the Gold would make the Ute's the richest Tribe in the Nation, if managed right, but even the councel knows that they can not manage that amount of money with all the red tape they have to go through, and the smarter ones knows that it would only reak havock on the trible members. The problem is that any amount of money over and above what it takes to run the Tribe itself goes into the trible members pocket, so knowing this makes the decision much easier to leave it in the ground.

As far as the agreement with Jim Phillips in 1992, the Counsel was not stupid, Phillips offered 90-10 split with 90 going to the Tribe, also claiming to have the technology to find it, so they put him to the test and he found nothing, although on a few of the digs Phillips was very close to Treasure he did not know where it was, he went by stolen arieal photos (from Mel Fisher) and Stories from George Thompson's book. Their is an all new Counsel now and I don't know how willing they are to allow any more digs, I think they are just tired of the whole thing.
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Re: The Secrer of Carre-Shinob

Post Number:#17  Postby PTCarroll » Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:56 am

If the Ute tribe would get too much money from an 80%/20% split, with them getting only 20%, I would be happy to work out a 95%/5% split, with them getting the 5%, so there is less money that they have to worry about.

If 5% is too much, I can be flexible (heck, I can even go as far as 100% for me, if that would satisfy them)...
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The Secret of Carre-Shinob

Post Number:#18  Postby Unregistered User » Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:27 am

Ya I agree, I wouldn't mind a split like that too, but when the Tribe was getting all that oil money, the alcholism and drug abuse went through the roof, when you spend your whole life having that amount of money given to you and not working for it you just don't know how to handel it, I know that it isn't that way with all Tribal members, there is alot of them that love to work for what they get. I believe it is the Government that screwed up by giving it to them like they do, they don't have to pay for their homes or health insurance or education, ect. and it was the Indians that shed there blood for that Gold, they should be protective of it. and I do believe that it belongs to the Tribe and I understand why the concern for not bringing it to the surface, but there is an alternative, the Tribe says that it could be unveiled and they could have something similar to tours of the Cave and charge admission, bring in the tourists, as long as it stays in the ground it is safe, the security would be astranomical, but wouldn't it be a site to see?
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Post Number:#19  Postby Satorilost » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:34 am

I'd pay a dollar to see that :~O
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Re: The Secret of Carre-Shinob

Post Number:#20  Postby Blke36bimmer » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:20 am

Ive said it before and I'll say it again.. Boren tells a great story, but ~the Gold of Carre Shinob~ is a rehash of footprints, with a few BS stories thrown in to help sales.. IMHO, the only visit Boren ever made to any mine without Gale was in his dreams.. However, I suppose if you are incarcerated you would want to keep funds in your commisary account and maybe writing books is the way he does this....
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Post Number:#21  Postby JB Lapoint » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:42 am

whitie.......i don't think gifford went to the carre-shin-ob as most people think of it.......if you got the pics he sent out with his book he calls the mines carre 1 and 2 and so on.........it was either on the old board or in the book that he said i'll just call my mine the carre..........if you remember this was back when he was hawking his book trying to draw interest and it was right in the middle of all the carre talk.

he posted here just resent so maybe he will reply to set us straight

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Re: Gifford

Post Number:#22  Postby Whyte Eagle » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:52 am

Now that I think about it, I think you're right there and taking that into consideration then it would leave Boren as the only living white man to claim to have been to what we refer to as ~Carre-Shinob~ then ..... maybe Robert could clear that part up for us?
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Re: Gifford

Post Number:#23  Postby UintaMan » Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:27 pm

Interesting,whats the name of his book and is it very easy to find???
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Re: Gifford

Post Number:#24  Postby Whyte Eagle » Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:37 pm

Borens book is ~The Gold of Carre-Shinob~ and I believe you can probably still find a copy of it available ....

Giffords book is ~X Marks The Spot~ and I think you'd be hard pressed to find a copy of it anywhere ..... although Robert did say he thought he had about 30 left in storage somewhere and might be able to make some available to those who would like one .....
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Re: Gifford

Post Number:#25  Postby UintaMan » Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:59 pm

Giffords book is the one I was referring to...thanks Whyte...Well I need some new reading material so if anyones got one for sale,I'll buy it...

What year was it wrote???
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