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Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#1  Postby zelph » Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:31 pm

In spring of 1925, a local resident, Orville and Fern Lowery, of Hickory Hill, in the southeast corner of Marion County Illinois, was busy with his two daughters removing rocks and debris from an area designated to be the family garden. His eldest daughter, Fern, who was six years old, began to explore along the ledge of the ravine next to the garden spot. Several feet away from the bluff, Fern discovered a hole cut through the sandstone by human hands. She called her father over to investigate the hole which he determined was of ancient origin.

Orville worked diligently for years attempting to get professional investigators from the state of Illinois out to the site to examine this entrance into the subterranean cavity. Orville was met with futility as the Illinois experts sloughed off the idea that anything of ancient significance could possibly exist in the most remote regions of Marion County. However, Orville was able to get Fern's discovery recorded in the WPA journals in Salem, the county seat. Frustrated for lack of interest, Orville later sold his property and moved to Mt. Vernon about 20 miles away in the early 1930's, taking with him his two charming girls. Fern and her sister grew up in Mt. Vernon, got married and moved to different states forsaking all prior knowledge of their family discovery. Orville, likewise ceased to pursue attempting to arouse the bitter scholars who had neglected him so many times.


When I get time I'll post some information on the location of this cave. I'll try to make one posting per day.

Please don't post comments until I'm finished with my research and postings :~d
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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#2  Postby zelph » Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:05 am

This is a continuation of the above story.

All was quiet for decades, until one balmy day in early summer of 1961 when Michael Paul Henson, the most famous treasure guide writer in the country, approached Orville after reading about the discovery in the Salem courthouse. Excited at the renewed interest, Orville met with Henson and escorted him to the site of the ancient portal.

Henson, the respected writer of lost treasure books, published the information he had obtained in subsequent releases. Others who often copied Henson's work also duplicated this twisted tale of discovery long after the death of Orville in 1974.


It's interesting that the most famous treasure guide writer in the country was not able to help Orville get somebody to start excavations on the site.

Notice what was said "duplicated this twisted tale of discovery" That statement made me start thinking about how much of what is said about treasure hunting and cave hunting.

I was curious about what Fern Lowery had found so I started doing a little research on the Lowery family, beginning with the death of Orville and working my way back in time. My goal was to find out where exactly he was living when Fern found the entrance. Fern said it was a hole in the ground. She did not say it was covered with anything. For safety reasons I would think her father would have covered it with a steel something or other to prevent falling into it or maybe a fence around it etc.

Later in time a twisted story surfaces that indicates the hole was covered with a large domed rock which was to pivot when someone stepped on it. The hole size was such that a man could suspend himself by his armpits to prevent from falling all the way in so the story goes.

Back to doing some research. The first thing to do was check to see if Orville lived in Mt.Vernon about 20 miles from his original home site. I proceeded to search online the 1940 population census for Mt. Vernon. I had success. Orville, his wife, one daughter and one roomer were on the census. On the census it also gave the his location for the 1930 census as being "rural". Oh boy....looking good. When I saw "rural" my heart skipped a beat :lol: So If I went to the 1930 census records I could find the location/residence where he and fern found the "cave" entrance.

There is a wealth of information online to do armchair research. ;)

In my research I also found this:

Newspaper Clippings on 31 December 1973

W. Orville Lowery Mt. Vernon William Orville Lowery, 79, of 105 S. 17th St., was stricken as he boarded a Greyhound tais in St. .Louis last night. Mr. Lowery and his wife had been returning to Mt. Vernon after a holiday trip to Fort Worth, Texas. Mr. Lowery was rushed to St. Louis City Hospital, where he died. Mr. Lowery was a retired employe at Vernois, Inc. He and his wife, Dolly, had been intending to return to Mt. Vernon by air, but the blizzard in St. Louis forced the cancellation of Ozark flights to Mt. Vernon, so they elected to take the bus. It was as he boarded the bus in St. Louis that Mr. Lowery was stricken. Funeral arrangements are incomplete at Myers Funeral Service.=
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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#3  Postby zelph » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:32 pm

An online conversation taking place between 2 guys on a Family History Search site. It starts out with the death of “Fern” Lowery, Orville’s daughter Take notice of her maiden names. Keep in mind now of what I found in the 1940 census about the “roomer” residing with Orville.



Fort Worth, TX obituary:

FernPace Chuculate, 84, a loving mother, grandmother and great-grandmother, passed away Wednesday, June 23, 2004, in Fort Worth.

Funeral: 9:30 a.m. Monday at Mount Olivet Chapel. Burial: Bluebonnet Hills Memorial Park, Colleyville. Visitation: 6 to 7:30 p.m. Sunday at Mount Olivet Funeral Home.

Fern was born Sept. 24, 1919, in Marion County, Ill. She was a licensed vocational nurse and a bookeeper. Fern graduated from Draughn Business College and All Saints School of Nursing. She was a 55-plus-year member of Eastern Star and the Porcelain Art Club. Fern was also a member of St. Luke's United Methodist Church and the New Faith Sunday school class.

Survivors: Daughters, Mary Steward and husband, Don, of Keller, Carolyn Hodge and husband, Spencer, of Fort Worth; grandchildren, Kimberly Hodge, Donald Steward and wife, Elsa, Jeff Hodge and wife, Valerie, Kellie Procter and husband, Pepper; and eight great-grandchildren.

Fern was credited with an archeological find in 1925 in Marion County.

I wonder where that farm was located (I heard it used to be on ? Road) and whatever became of the lid mentioned below? Any local historians know? Anyone know anything about the below story that they'd be willing to share?

In spring of 1925, a local resident, Orville Lowery, of Hickory Hill, in the southeast corner of Marion County Illinois, was busy with his two daughters removing rocks and debris from an area designated to be the family garden. His eldest daughter, Fern, who was six years old, began to explore along the ledge of the ravine next to the garden spot. Several feet away from the bluff, Fern discovered a hole cut through the sandstone by human hands. She called her father over to investigate the hole which he determined was of ancient origin. Blah, blah blah..long story )) and then again it goes on to say::

That entry reads:

"About 10 miles east of ? on Orville Lowery's farm, a large rock bluff runs in a north-south direction. About 1925, Orville found a hole in the solid rock of this bluff. A rock lid carved exactly to fit the hole left only a faint line to show where it was. Orville removed the lid and discovered an empty cavity. There are numerous carvings below the hole that are believed to be Indian or Spanish. No other cavities have been found, but anyone deciphering these symbols or using a metal detector along the face of this bluff might come upon something exciting there. Lowery firmly believed that the cavity had been filled with gold nuggets because he saw traces of gold on the side of the hole."

(Zelph thinks the last paragraph was originally written by Henson, the respected writer of lost treasure books ;-))

Conversation continues:

This reminds me of another story of a cave in that same neighborhood
that is supposed to have "Egyptian Artifacts" in it.

I did have the story of this cave bookmarked. Can some one give me
the name of it??

Thanks
Ray


Yes, it's the same cave, supposedly rediscovered by a Russ Burrows (formerly
of Olney, Il, now living in Greely, Colorado., who allegedly looted the cave
of it's artifacts and milllions in gold or allegedly faked the artifacts).
He wrote several books on it. Now called "Burrows Cave".

Actually, Lowery discovered a cavity or pit with nothing in it, though the
rock lid over the opening had some ancient writing on it. Burrows discovered
a cave/tomb, possibly breaking through the cavity or finding a completely
different opening on the same property. Some neighbors in the vicinity of
the farm have large private collections of artifacts, some similar to what
was taken from the cave.

Andy


Andy

Thanks for getting the story straight. I found the Burrows cave
thing but that "discovery" was in the 1980's. I have heard
those stories since I was a kid. Long before the 80's :-(

Ray

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Ahhhh!!! this shines some new light on what we've been hearing from the experts.

I think it's clear how things get" twisted" over a period of time.

I wonder if Burrows went around buying artifacts as was mentioned being had by surrounding neighbors hmmm!!! ;)

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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#4  Postby zelph » Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:51 pm

Observe some of the comments made by the Illinois State Archeologist. Click on the thumbnails to view.

The 2 members that have recently stated that they have been to Burrows cave missed a grand opportunity to have the disclosure of the tomb be made known. Even Russel Burrows missed out.

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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#5  Postby zelph » Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:25 pm

Hubbard used a local dowser and John Van Drie to "dowse" the area Hubbard thinks is the location of the Lowery Cave aka Burrows cave.

The following is an excerpt taken from Rev. John Van Drie's book titled

"My Angels Work for Me"

Chapter Ten

Another interesting happening in my life was a radio talk show that I did with Steve Frier shortly before our 1994 Seven Continent Dowsers Conference. An audio of this program was given to a man by the name of Harry Hubbard. Sometime after my airing, Steve Frier and the psychic that had been on his show were in a restaurant in downtown Chicago having a bite to eat around 1:30 AM. They noticed Harry Hubbard sitting nearby. For some strange reason, both of them got a strong feeling to meet and talk to Harry which they did. Steve and Harry became friends and communicated with each other regularly. Harry told Steve about his search for the lost tomb of KING ALEXANDER THE GREAT in southern Illinois. Harry explained that he had located the general area but couldn't pin down the exact location. Steve told Harry, "You need to contact John the dowser."

Steve had given a copy of my tape to Harry. Harry called me and arranged a plane ticket for me to St. Louis for the Saturday after our 1995 Seven Continents conference. I flew down to St. Louis expecting an older man, however, Harry was a young man. We drove back to the house trailer that he was renting in Mt. Vernon, Illinois. He showed me tablets that he had purchased from Mr. Russell Burrows who had been taking them out of the cave on a regular basis since 1982 and selling them all over the U.S.A. It gave me goose pimples when I ran my hand over the image of Julius Caesar carved on a beautiful white marble tablet.

Together, Harry and his associate Paul Schaffranke have knowledge of 33 ancient languages and were able to translate the hieroglyphics on the tablets that they had photographed. They had this all on videotape which I viewed for several hours before we went to the site.

At the site using "L" dowsing rods, I located 5 potential areas of access to the cave (so I thought). In some cases all I did was verify what a local dowser had found before I came down. All of this activity was videotaped by Harry.

That evening Harry took me to a Chinese restaurant that he frequented in Mt. Vernon and after dinner, I did some healing work for his Chinese friends. After dinner, we went back to the rental trailer and viewed more videotapes.

During all my conversations with Harry, I began to realize that he is the most intelligent person that I have ever met. His knowledge in so many different fields is very impressive.

The next day, the local dowser went with us. I gave him a set of "L" rods and he verified my findings with them. Harry then took me back to St. Louis to catch the plane back to Chicago. It was a most interesting week-end. I will talk more about the tomb of Alexander the Great in a later chapter.

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After reading this I thought of "Geo Dowser" .........Geo might well be one of the two talked about.

Just putting some facts together here. Trying to find the cave with "L" shaped rods....interesting ;) I wonder if the local guy uses the crystal on a chain thingy. :mrgreen:
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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#6  Postby zelph » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:04 pm

Jody Lawrence was indeed a wonderful lady whom I met in winter of 1995. She and her late husband, Art, are written about extensively in Tomb Chronicles Part II. They were both key role players in this affair. Jody suffered greatly in her final days, but never lost her kind and humble regard for people she barely even knew. Jody was always very interested in the Tomb project, watched countless videos and read all of our articles and books as they were made available. She had also reviewed all of the data we had accumulated through the years and knew the story far better than most of those who had been privy to the circumstances for a long time.

Jody was an artifact hunter and collector all her life. She grew up as Joann Jones, and spent her earliest years with her family, in their house located less than an eighth of a mile from the Tomb Site. What is most significant, is that this house was situated on a small Mound in the field just north of R-2. Jody scoured the woods for arrowheads, spear tips, axe heads and plummets.. When her house burned to the ground, all her family valuables and artifacts were lost forever. She had amassed a collection of well over 3000 ancient stone artifacts during her life, almost exclusively found in the Romine Township

Jody was a truly good natured woman that wouldn't think twice about telling you how she felt. Her doors were always open to strangers, travelers, family and friends alike. She treated everyone fairly and honestly, which is what she will always be most remembered for. Jody Lawrence was really the Treasure in Romine and she left not a single bad thought among those who knew and loved her. It seemed as though she could never outdo herself in kindness and gratitude. If ever there was a favor or something nice to be done for someone, she had already thought of it and done it.

When Jody passed away, her family requested that her Personalized Security Pass to the Tomb Site be place upon her dress; hence, Jody Lawrence became the first person in history to be interred with a remnant recognizing the Alexander Helios Project. We dearly loved this lady and miss her greatly.




Is it possible that Russel Burrows had purchased artifacts from Jody and sold them off as coming from a tomb site? Sure it is.

Is it possible for the stone artifacts to be lost forever when her family's house burned down to the ground? I suspect a thousand or two survived.

Artifacts similar to the ones Burrows sold off have been found in the general vicinity of the Orville and Fern Cave aka hole in the ground.
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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#7  Postby zelph » Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:18 am

Sunday, December 29, 2013
America Unearthed "Grand Canyon Treasure"
Already I'm getting good suggestions about how to locate the cave in the Grand Canyon. They are good ideas, but were not practical or possible given the limited time the America Unearthed crew and I had there. However, that doesn't mean we couldn't try rafting in below the spot where the cave is in the future. Once located, a climb could then be organized once you know where you're going. Others have suggested using a camera-equipped drone to find the entrance, also is a great idea. The issue there is the area below the rim is a no-fly zone, but maybe drones are OK? Isn't the best way to alleviate suspicion is for the government to be completely open and allow an investigation? Stay tuned.

As far as Burrows Cave goes, I have to admit that I'm not optimistic. In fact, I did check out both areas circled on Harry's map. The problem is that even though I couldn't find an entrance, it was so overgrown I could have walked right over it. I am also skeptical about the artifacts, some I know for sure are fakes. There could very well be some that are real, but the fakes have polluted the whole collection in my opinion. Those fans who are interested in reading more about these other fakes should check out my latest book, Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers: The Mysteries of the Hooked X.

The biggest problem with Burrows Cave is Russell Burrows. Based on the factual evidence we have so far, the Isis Stone being a 100% fake casts a long dark shadow over Russell's claim. Russell says he cares about history, but if he really did he would have taken skeptical academics to the site and shut them up.But it appears he is planning to take his secret to the grave leaving historians with no other choice but to conclude it was all a hoax. A man with honor would have come forward long ago.
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In my recent research I've come across something really amazing and I'm trying to contact Scott Wolters to give him the information so he can have the opportunity to view it first as a forensic geologist.

After Wolters acknowledges receipt of the information I will post it here and then have this thread opened for discussion.
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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#8  Postby zelph » Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:56 pm

I receive an acknowledgement of having received my email...now I need to wait to see if Scott replies.

Thanks for emailing Scott Wolter and the America Unearthed team. We will review your tip and respond if we need more information regarding your artifact, site or tip. Thanks for watching!

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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#9  Postby zelph » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:10 pm

Must be a busy time of the year for Scott.

When and IF I hear from him I will post some additional information.

Whyte Eagle can go ahead and unlock and move this thread at his will.

Hope someone can add additional information. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#10  Postby zelph » Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:06 am

The biggest problem with Burrows Cave is Russell Burrows. Based on the factual evidence we have so far, the Isis Stone being a 100% fake casts a long dark shadow over Russell's claim. Russell says he cares about history, but if he really did he would have taken skeptical academics to the site and shut them up.But it appears he is planning to take his secret to the grave leaving historians with no other choice but to conclude it was all a hoax. A man with honor would have come forward long ago.



Russel Burrows is not alone, Southern Partisan stands along side of him in this controversy. Both say they were inside the cave. Both seem to be planning to take their secret to the grave leaving historians with no other choice but to conclude it was all a hoax.

Both could have taken skeptical academics to the site and shut them up.

Men with honor would have come forward long ago.
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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#11  Postby Whyte Eagle » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:43 pm

Zelph wrote:Russel Burrows is not alone, Southern Partisan stands along side of him in this controversy. Both say they were inside the cave. Both seem to be planning to take their secret to the grave leaving historians with no other choice but to conclude it was all a hoax.


I don't thin SP has aligned himself in any way with Russ Burrows other than being his friend, and he states that fact over and over again in his posts in plain English for all to read. I don't know why this is such a problem for you to see Zelph.

I also don't recall SP ever saying or even insinuating that he has a secret let alone that he will take it with him to his grave, Russ might take it with him to his grave, but there is definitely no secret here about Burrows Cave.

Zelph wrote:Both could have taken skeptical academics to the site and shut them up.


What point could possibly be achieved by trying to convince skeptical academics of anything? I think it would cause more problems than would solve in most cases including this one.

Men with honor would have come forward long ago.


I have no reason to think that SP has no honor, that statement is completely irrelavant and is an unfounded accusation in my opinion. You don't even know SP other than through the posts on this forum (and he's been very civil and gracious in answering your wuestions I might add) ... I'm just saying ...

If one didn't know better, one would think you are trying to pick a fight or something ...
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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#12  Postby zelph » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:45 pm

If one didn't know better, one would think you are trying to pick a fight or something ...


You know better than that ;) I'm here just gathering facts and presenting them. I give short versions.

If Russel Burrows and Southern Partisan were to stand in front of your face as friends, Russ would say he found a cave in the immediate area of the hole that Fern Lowery found and then Southern Partisan would say, yes, I was in the cave with Russ I testify that it exists. Russ and SP are parallel in regards to a cave existing. They would say it in plain English.

What is so hard to understand Whyte?

I know Russ And SP are friends. :?: What's your point White?

So far there is no evidence that a cave exists.

Both Russ and Sp can come forward and show the world that one exists.

Russ doesn't want to because he's ticked off at the establishments. He blows the cave.

SP doesn't want to because he's friends with Russ.

Both of them will say: "we don't owe you anything"

They are in parallel thinking. The cave exists but we won't tell you where it is.

That's all in plain English.
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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#13  Postby zelph » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:34 pm

What point could possibly be achieved by trying to convince skeptical academics of anything? I think it would cause more problems than would solve in most cases including this one.


It would solve the problem of the missing cave. Come on Whyte, you want to know if the cave exists.
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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#14  Postby zelph » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:46 pm

I also don't recall SP ever saying or even insinuating that he has a secret let alone that he will take it with him to his grave, Russ might take it with him to his grave, but there is definitely no secret here about Burrows Cave.


SP said he's been in the cave with Russ. He won't tell where it's at. Is it a secret? What words do you want me to use? I ventured to say he would go to the grave with it.

Russ told the world where he found the cave but nobody can find the cave with all the info that floats around. Even you can't find it. Wayne may can't find it. Russ said he blew it up and yet no one can find evidence of an explosion. People living in close proximity of the Lowery Cave have not reported hearing an explosion. One woman lives within 1/8 of a mile from the supposed cave site and didn't hear a thing. She never saw anything suspicious like someone walking out of the woods with a box full of artifacts.

You say there is no secret about burrows cave....have you been to it?
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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#15  Postby zelph » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:49 pm

I have no reason to think that SP has no honor, that statement is completely irrelavant and is an unfounded accusation in my opinion. You don't even know SP other than through the posts on this forum (and he's been very civil and gracious in answering your wuestions I might add) ... I'm just saying ...


SP has his good points and some bad points. For the most part he's an OK guy. Can't understand a lot of his words but that's besides the point....I'm just a high school grad.
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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#16  Postby zelph » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:17 pm

I have no reason to think that SP has no honor, that statement is completely irrelavant and is an unfounded accusation in my opinion. You don't even know SP other than through the posts on this forum (and he's been very civil and gracious in answering your wuestions I might add) ... I'm just saying ...


Russ and SP refuse to release the location of a national treasure. What honor should we place upon them?

The issue is Integrety.

Were talking about a cave here, nothing else. Are they telling the truth? Until a cave is produced they cast long shadows onto themselves.

What honor should we place onto them for with holding such imprtant information?

They are close friends, no doubt about it. Both belonged to the IL State Militia(not sure of the correct title) both do Civil War Re-enactments. They both stick together on the issue of a cave existing. Their friendship is not in question.



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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#17  Postby mrjimsfc » Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:42 pm

When is a "cave" anything more than a hole in the ground? Answer: When it gets notoriety. How does it get notoriety? Expose it to the public!Image
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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#18  Postby zelph » Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:49 pm

zelph wrote:
In my recent research I've come across something really amazing and I'm trying to contact Scott Wolters to give him the information so he can have the opportunity to view it first as a forensic geologist.

After Wolters acknowledges receipt of the information I will post it here and then have this thread opened for discussion.


I contacted Wolters and Wayne May concerning my find. I gave them the longitude and latitudes of the location. Also a screen shot of the google earth view. The "X" mark is close to the area of Orville Lowery's garden where his daughter Fern found a storage pit of sorts. Most of you know the rest of that story...

I'll be leaving soon to go on a vacation down to Southern Illinois and will be stopping to take soil samples contained in the light areas of the x glyph.

Here is what the "X" looks like:

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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#19  Postby zelph » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:10 pm

I believe the hole in the face of the solid sandstone bluff is the one Fern Lowery found. Just got back from southern IL. Got tons of good info. I'm reaserching Fern's grandfather due to the fact that she and her father Orville, lived with him in the same household. As time permits I'll post more info and videos. I may have also found the entrance to a cavern/cave that was deliberately collapsed by .....

Stop the video at the 8 second mark to see the dark hole in the side of the bluff.

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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#20  Postby Altor » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:52 pm

interesting video, was this on their farm?
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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#21  Postby zelph » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:11 am

Altor wrote:interesting video, was this on their farm?


No, their farm doesn't have any terrain that has these features. This area is very very close to where they lived. As I put all the facts together I'll be able to show how it was that Fern Lowery could have come upon this hole in the face of the bluff. Fern's grandfather was associated with the property that this hole/storage cavity is on. Fern and her father Orville lived with Rev.William Russel, Fern's grandfather.

For those of you that have followed this story and know of the general location I submit this photo to show that I have been at the intersection of Kell and Malachi roads. I know what the area looks like, I know the terrain. I will be returning to the area once I receive permission to enter on the "posted" private property. I have the land owners name a phone number ;=)

I have more photos and videos, just need more time to post.

I did extensive research in the city of Salem, IL Lots of paper work ;=) Got lots of maps and info from Harold Boyles of the Marion County Genealogical And Historical Society. Harold is one heck of nice guy....totally helpful to the max!!!! :D

A quote from a previous post:

There are numerous carvings below the hole that are believed to be Indian or Spanish. No other cavities have been found, but anyone deciphering these symbols or using a metal detector along the face of this bluff might come upon something exciting there. Lowery firmly believed that the cavity had been filled with gold nuggets because he saw traces of gold on the side of the hole."



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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#22  Postby zelph » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:28 pm

There are numerous carvings below the hole that are believed to be Indian or Spanish. No other cavities have been found, but anyone deciphering these symbols or using a metal detector along the face of this bluff might come upon something exciting there. Lowery firmly believed that the cavity had been filled with gold nuggets because he saw traces of gold on the side of the hole."


To the right of the hole looks like some possible glyphs.

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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#23  Postby zelph » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:13 am

A quote from “FOOTPRINTS in Marion county, volume 38, fall 2013

So how did we transition from a simple hole in the ground in 1977 to the improbable tomb of ancient Egyptians? Here is Hubbard’s account of the Lowery find, from transcribed excerpts of the “Red Ice Radio” broadcast last April:

Hubbard: {In] 1925, there was a man, who, um, lived in Hickory Hill, Illinois, …he is out on a piece of property with his two daughters….And he’s got his pickup truck there, and they are picking up, um stones to make a garden. ..Well I found out later, the stones they were picking up were actually axe heads, arrow heads, spear heads, just by the bucket….by the truck load. And he would take them up and dump them. And he was out with his two daughters, and his 6 year old daughter named Fern, um his name was Orville Lowery, Fern Lowery, uh found the hole on the side of a bluff-----there are ravines here, the strata has, um, surfacing sandstone, and the water force, over periods of time has cut rather large ravines…..


Notice my emphasis on the hole being in the side of the bluff.
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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#24  Postby zelph » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:31 am

From where I'm standing while taking the video, Fern and her father could easily have seen the hole.

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Re: Orville and Fern Lowery Cave

Post Number:#25  Postby mrjimsfc » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:21 am

busy with his two daughters removing rocks and debris from an area designated to be the family garden. His eldest daughter, Fern, who was six years old, began to explore along the ledge of the ravine next to the garden spot. Several feet away from the bluff, Fern discovered a hole cut through the sandstone by human hands.

In your video, I didn't see any nearby areas suitable for a family garden. The hole in the video looks like it is in limestone (not sandstone) and does not appear to have been cut by human hands. I can't help but wonder why you didn't just go over there and take a few "close-ups" of the cave/hole and even look inside? Yes, I realize there is a deep ravine in the way, but when did something like that ever stop you? Are you sure you have found the right place? It seems to be somewhat out of character for you to have produced this video and not followed up with the thoroughness I'm accustomed to seeing in your research.
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