A different kind of fraud

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A different kind of fraud

Post Number:#1  Postby Terry L Carter » Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:08 pm

Quit a few years ago while doing research on the Mystery Glyphs here in Utah I came upon this piece of information submitted to the state archaeological history department. Now if I hadn’t have already done a lot of research to know that the mystery glyphs were at the very minimum 150 years old, that the Fillmore site was photographed in 1925 by Frank Beckwith and had a mining claim filed on them in 1939 by Walt Percell, then I may have believed this persons stated factual testimony to the fact that they were a hoax. This type of fraudulent reporting is a travesty to those of us who are trying to do serious research as to the different mysteries that surround us. I wanted to know why this person would file such a report with the state, when I knew it was in of its self a fraud. I contacted the two people who supposedly carved the Fillmore site and asked them about their involvement in carving this site. Both individuals had moved out of Fillmore shortly after graduating high school and had know knowledge of these hieroglyphs let alone what they looked like. One of the individuals was so furious at the fact that he had been accused of perpetrating a hoax that he threatened to sue the individual who accused him (as he had never heard anything about this until I showed him the paper filed with the state). When I told R. Brunson about this particular site being photographed in 1925 and about all the other sites scattered through out the western united states with an older history dated than her 1946 or 1947 date all she would say is that she didn’t know anything about that she just knew that the two boys in her class carved them.

So you have to stand back and look at the whole picture when doing your research, does the information your looking at make sense. In this case, did the women really believe that her classmates did the carving or did she want credit and recognition for solving the Fillmore hieroglyph mystery? What do you think?
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Re: A different kind of fraud

Post Number:#2  Postby bonuntr » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:03 pm

All I can say is WOW! It just goes to show that the only research you can really trust is your own blood, sweat, and tears. There are probably many, many similar cases that would bear further investigation that could result in your findings of fraud on a completely different level. Almost seems backwards that one would come forth to prove the writings were a hoax, you would expect the opposite, (a hoax being proved wrong by fact instead of vice-versa).
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Re: A different kind of fraud

Post Number:#3  Postby Randy W Lewis » Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:31 am

Fraud this is a good one,,, I guess it depends on who does it.. there is a guy on these forums that is selling other peoples research for profit,, he has NEVER found anything of his own,, ever,, just parasites off what he can,, he never goes far off the road,, he has people thinking he is G-R-E-A-T... sells phoney books,, you all know who this is,, OK,,, who wants a copy of Dale Bascoms copper map... this is authentic.... but maybe the guy I am talking about has already sold the info,,, Frauds,,,,, please this is real sick!!!!
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Re: A different kind of fraud

Post Number:#4  Postby Randy W Lewis » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:15 am

authentic

I just got my DNA results back and now I can verify for sure that this is my family ,,, now I have the DNA..

Frederik Willem Nicolaas Karel van Hohenzollern Keizer van Duitsland Koning van Pruisen
1831–1888

BIRTH 18 OCT 1831 • Neues Palais, Potsdam, Brandenburg, Germany
DEATH 15 JUN 1888 • Neues Palais, Potsdam, Brandenburg, Germany
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Re: A different kind of fraud

Post Number:#5  Postby Randy W Lewis » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:24 am

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Post Number:#6  Postby Randy W Lewis » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:32 am

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Post Number:#7  Postby Uley Bauer » Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:21 pm

The search keeps on getting harder! Robust earth-movers (dynamite, catapillers, rock-drills, wrenches), souvenir hunters, Hollywood documenties! Most are an adventure too far!
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Re: A different kind of fraud

Post Number:#8  Postby Terry L Carter » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:59 pm

Randy W Lewis wrote:Fraud this is a good one,,, I guess it depends on who does it.. there is a guy on these forums that is selling other peoples research for profit,, he has NEVER found anything of his own,, ever,, just parasites off what he can,, he never goes far off the road,, he has people thinking he is G-R-E-A-T... sells phoney books,, you all know who this is,, OK,,, who wants a copy of Dale Bascoms copper map... this is authentic.... but maybe the guy I am talking about has already sold the info,,, Frauds,,,,, please this is real sick!!!!


Ya I know exactly who you're talking about, my old friend SS. He even went as far as trying to copyright a picture of Dales copper map. And I know you know what he did to me, but hey it's ok right cause he was a friend of yours at the time this was going on. I'm going to leave my personal opinions about good old SS off of the forum, know what I mean. You should call me if you have any questions

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Re: A different kind of fraud

Post Number:#9  Postby Randy W Lewis » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:50 am

nope that one is a known fraud.. yes a extremely bad fraud




the one I am referring to is a lot worse.... not even in the same league of frauds...
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Re: A different kind of fraud

Post Number:#10  Postby Scipio » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:51 am

Well, in this business, hobby, pursuit, pastime, interest, diversion or whatever you might wish to call it, you'd better have a huge grain of salt to go with anything / everything you hear. You can count of most of the stories you come across being at best, embellished and at worst, complete fiction. Even when you come across a trustworthy individual, his story is only as good as it's source. Good folks often accept and promote false information unawares. Whenever we hear something fantastic or amazing, we naturally tend to want to believe it, no matter how far-fetched or outlandish it may be. (Sometimes the more spectacular a tale, the more easily we throw our trust behind it!) Yeah, we're all, to one extent or another, pretty gullible. And when the perpetrator is telling us exactly what we want to hear ... it's much harder to apply the skepticism and scrutiny such mythos demands.

Also, if you stick with it long enough, you'll find, as I have, there are far, far too many pots calling the kettle black. Thus, your best interests may best be served in researching the pots, their motives, tactics and history, before ever investing your trust, time, resources, money (and in my case, Twinkies) in their schemes. Once you find a few "trustworthy" partners you can befriend and depend on (with no fear of subterfuge or betrayal), well, then you have the makings for real adventure. I've found a few who meet those criteria. I can count them on one hand (and also, maybe part of my left foot ... if you count KsTher twice).

Also, if you, yourself don't meet those criteria, you're simply looking for more victims.
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Re: A different kind of fraud

Post Number:#11  Postby sanpete » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:49 pm

Scipio that also holds true to what you don't want to hear. sanpete
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Re: A different kind of fraud

Post Number:#12  Postby Scipio » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:24 pm

Yes my friend, so true ...

That's why I wear earplugs when I listen to the news.

Also, Randy, how'd you get Fred's DNA?
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